Sunday, September 2, 2012




I wrote about Swami Gurdip Giri of Pathankot in my earlier blogs too. I have had the chance to meet the great Swami again on August 31 at the residence of my brother Krishan Lal who keeps regular contact with the Swami for various social and spiritual activities. Swami Gurdip Giri is a real saint without false assumptions. That is, inter alia, the appealing trait of his personality which I like the most. My first meeting with him happened in Delhi in 1998-99 when he went to the UK for his spiritual and social mission. It was our pleasure to host him for a couple of times in our small flat in Kalkaji. We found him a simple and honest man with high thinking.  My next meeting with him was at the eve of the marriage of my daughter Vaishali in December 2001 at our home in Bootan Mandi when he visited us on our humble invitation to bless my daughter. I vividly remember that he invoked and recited a hymn of Guru Ravidass “ Seh Ki Sar Suhagan Jane “and advised my daughter to respect her husband and his family and abandon false pride and enjoy the pleasures of life. It was an apt message to the young lady to start her life. Swamiji is so humble and down to earth that he has the charm to win over people by his simple and easy demeanor.  Yesterday he immediately recognized my wife Vidya and my son Rupesh and said that we met here itself some years before at a marriage and it was a pleasant coincident that we were meeting again here. Over the years, Swami Gurdip Giri has attained, by his own right, a much larger persona and status in the society by his lofty deeds and message but personally he remained a simple and humble man. Here lies his greatness. I would like to associate myself with Swami Gurdip Giri and his Dera Jagat Giri Maharaj.

I may add that Swami Gurdip Giri is the Head of the Dera Jagat Giri Maharaj in Pathankot.  Swami Gurdip Giri and the Dera is actively engaged in spiritual, social and educational well being of the poor masses in and around Pathankot, Jammu, and also many more cities of Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Haryana. Swami Gurdip Giri enjoys a considerable following in many countries abroad. He came back only a couple of weeks before for a month long tour of Australia. Swami Gurdip Giri informed that he was much interested in providing facilities for education to the rural masses and weaker sections of the society besides their daily and routine social and spiritual services. In fact, he has invited me to a meeting in Pathankot towards the last week of September for the purpose. It would be my privilege to go and attend. I wish Swami Gurdip Giri all the very best and further success in his mission.



  1. Why do not you critically evaluate the work done by the Saints, who claim to have follow ship amongst a considerable chunk of depressed classes? An educated and learned man needs to critically examine the matters before passing a judgment. Don’t you feel that they have killed the spirit of mental advancement of human beings who have been suffering taint and brunt of untouchability in some form or another even today in almost all villages, towns and cities in the land where they say MANAS KI JAAT EKO PEHCHANU?
    Many of them have set up these Deras as shops for their own development. Neither any spiritual nor social nor moral message is being inculcated and infused in the followers. Like all Manuwadi spiritual shopkeepers (so called Gurus), they also desire unquestioned faith and belief from their followers in their GOSPEL. How differently they behave from the benevolent message of Tathagat (Buddha) who says APT DEEPO BHAV (Be your own light), do not depend upon others for your salvation? But today’s Saints, Babas and Mahants ensure that if you lack faith in them and in their gospel, you need not be in touch with them and refrain from seeking their indulgence. A good number of them are surrounded by stooge, corrupt, unprincipled, selfish human being and the sad part is that they are unable to judge them with all their mystic and spiritual powers. The spiritual and social philosophy of Most Revered GURU RAVIDAS Ji failed to get any civil rights for untouchables for almost 500 years. It was Mahatma Jyoti Rao Phule and Mata Savitiri Bhai Phule who opened their well and school for untouchables in the 19th Century to provide education to them. It was Rajrishi Sahu ji Maharaj who provided jobs in his State administration to untouchables. It was Sahu ji Maharaj of Kolapur who in 1901 wrote a memorandum to British Administration to provide jobs to untouchables in the administration of State. Many Saint / Mahatma could ponder upon the pitiable conditions of untouchables but never ever could gather courage to press upon their followers who were might and powerful rulers to have mercy to improve the conditions of untouchables.
    That’s why Dr. B.R. Ambedkar roared in 3rd Round Table Conference in London that Mahatmas have come and Mahatmas have gone but untouchables remained untouchables.

    New Delhi


    1. Well thank you very much Mr Rajinder ji for critically evaluating the matter, I agree with your point of view and I feel that you are really upset with the system and philosophy of DERAs are following.i hope Ramesh Chander ji who supports this blog will respond you soon.
      I know sir many of the dera’s are not working in the service of humanity as you rightly said MANAS KI JAAT EKO PEHCHANU..but the other side of matter is that some are doing really good work also and contributing much to the society and I feel that good work needs to be acknowledged and that is exactly what shri chander had did in his blog.
      Guru Ravidass ji sacrifices their whole life for the upliftment of untouchables and weaker section of the society and if today we are feeling that their philosophy failed to get civil right for untouchables then I think its only the educated people of the society are responsible for this failure because whenever someone get good opportunity they just cut off with their society and try to mingle with higher society.
      It was fortunate that we got leaders like Dr Bheem Rao Ambedkar and Sahib shri Kanshi Ram ji but that time has gone also and today we don’t have such leader for our support.
      I think it is the duty of educated people to come out of their shell and find out the ways to bring awareness in the society.


    2. Dear Mahesh ji,

      Thanx very much for your views. I firmly believe in the liberating ideology of Mahamanav Jyoti Rao Phule, Mata Savitri Bhai Phule, Baba Sahib Dr. B.R. Ambedkar and other Bahujan social and spiritual reformers. For me, Dr. Ambedkar is a Liberator like Moses and Jesus. With his tireless efforts, knowledge, will and competence he has Liberated hapless humanity even without touching or seeing them. There are no equal to him in the History of 3500 years who have worked to end the mental and physical slavery of humans. If you read his works, you will come to know how system of slavery created by Indo-Aryan was different from the slavery in Roman, Christian and Muslim world.

      More than 67% erstwhile untouchable Castes form part of followership of various Radhasomani and Nirankari Deras. More than 60% followers of Dera of Ram Rahim are erstwhile untouchable castes. Decades of followership have failed to bring social and spiritual liberation of these hapless humans. A number of them might have attained higher spiritual stages but even one is yet to be coronated as spiritual Head of such Deras and whenever that stage arises, they split and the underline consideration of such splitting is mostly Caste or control of estate and money.

      Merely getting or developing capabilities to read and write is not good enough to proclaim as educated persons. One needs to imbibe and build capabilities through relentless pursuit of knowledge and develop capacity to segregate grain from the chaff. It is a very difficult task and definitely cannot be evolved by surrendering your capacity to reason out. How aptly Dr. B.R. Ambedkar in his book ‘Hero and Hero Worship’ and also in his another work ‘Ranade, Gandhi and Jinnah’ has stated while quoting John Stuart Mill that never place your liberties at the feet of a Big or Great man, you do not know when he might become dictator and usurp every right which you have.

      I believe that most of the Baba and Deras are into the business of developing mental slavery and killing the right to reason. Their methodology is contrary to what Tathagat (Buddha the Exalted One) has to say while addressing the disciples of his former teacher Guru Alar Kalam. The Exhaled One says, ”APT DEPPO BHAV” meaning, be your own light, do not depend upon others for your salvation but today’s Babas and Deras tell their followers to desist from reasoning, do not ask any question, give your unflinching support if you seek to attain salvation. No durable change can be brought by maintaining status-quo, on the contrary, one has to shake the status quo for bringing change.

      Dr. Ambedkar in his another book ‘Annihilation of Caste’ while giving example of struggle between ‘Patricians’ and ‘Plebeians’ people in Roman empire says that those who are exploited in a system, will keep on getting exploited, till they completely denounce and move away from th exploitative system (social, political, cultural and religious).

      When we talk of social movement, then critical analysis of issues over a period of time is required and one must do it like an impartial Doctor who carries out operation to take away the disease from the patient, as well being, good health and welfare of the patient is the foremost consideration before any impartial doctor. While I say so, it must not be taken as even a slight disrespect to the spiritual leader but at the same time my right to say my views may also be appreciated. Voltaire (the great philosopher) and his father always had argument and difference of opinion on many matters but he always told his father, "I would lay down my life to protect your right to speak but you must also appreciate my right to criticize every word you speak."

      Baba Sahib Ambedkar said, ‘Man cannot be satisfied by food alone, he has mind which requires food for thought’. This is food for thought for all those who think on social matters. We are all together in the fight for attainment of better future for children of our coming generations.



  2. thanks rajinder for your thought provoking comments. i am sorry that i could not respond earlier as i was a bit busy in other engagements.let me inform you that i am neither a feligious person nor i follow any dera or sant as such. but i do respect and regard people who do something positive for the community. that is why rather than sittong quite and crticising people i tend to speak my mind and share appreciation whereever required. i hope you would understand.
    as regards guru ravidass, every community and society has to have some icons. i think guru ravidass was the fore-runner of phule, ambedkar, kanshi ram and many more as far the dalit community is concerned. the mission and philosophy is the same. there could be differences in approach and action depending on the prevailing situation at a given time. i hold all of them in high esteem. in the contemporary times ambedkar did a lot and succeeded also. his followers like kanshi ram carried the 'caravan' forward as desired by the great leader ambedkar. much needs to be done still. let us know and cooperate with each other with humility rather than taking extreme poitions which would tend to retard the march for greater heights.

  3. thanks mahesh. i am happy to see your comments. young people like you is the hope of the community at large.

  4. Wow, nice article on Swami Gurdip Giri Ji Maharaj. I also visit Dera Pathankot regularly.

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  6. Ramesh Chader Ji, any dera in Punjab which doesn't follow Sahib Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is just sham. I heard that this Pathankot based person Gurudip doesn't follow Sahib Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This implies that he has no right to be called a Sant or Mahant etc. etc. Don't follow these misguided people. Guru Sahib liberated chamars from this nonsense of Sants, deras and joined them with Sahib Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    There is no other granth in Punjab other than Sahib Shri Guru Granth Sahib, no other religion in Punjab other than Sikhism which would liberate our people. Please stop going to these deras like Ballan, Gurdip's dera etc., when you have Harimandir Sahib. I also saw once school run by ballan dera people and it said "Appo Dipo Bhav"? what does it mean...? No such word is mentioned in Sahib Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Sahib Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is only and only source of salvation for chamars.

    1. Dear Anonymous,
      There smack a filthy air of arrogance in your thoughts and expressions. If despite three hundred years of followership of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and 500 years of following Sikhism, untouchability prevails in the so called pious land of Punjab (Though I do not believe that any way it is pious), it is a matter of great shame to the followers of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Sikhism. If you close your eyes and refuse to see the realities, it does not mean that reality does not exist. The reality is that Sikhsim in today’s Punjab is hair to toe deep in the practice of untouchability, discrimination and arrogance. The arrogance of rich, landlords, feudalistic and influential people in Punjab is making sure that effect of Utopia given in the Guru Granth Sahib is speedily eroded. In same Harimandir, which you are extolling about, Krah Prasad of untouchables was not accepted as offerings. Bunga of Baba Jeewan Singh was broken and removed. If this is the arrogance of powerful controller of Sikhism, who will have faith in the said religion? There is no hesitation in saying that Sikhism as a spiritual and social ideology is now suffering from grave malice which has potent potential of bringing its downfall. All these factors and many other are instrumental in origination of Derawad in Punjab. The poor, hapless, exploited and hatred classes of people join a religion in the hope that there life would be better and the torture on them would end. They would be treated as equal human being but if any religion does not provide human treatment, there is no need to be a follower of such exploitative spiritual and social regime. The day Sikhism allowed these evil practices to make deep inroads, it ceased to be a missionary and dynamic spiritual-religious system and with each passing day under the tutelage of greedy and selfish priestly, social and political class the trap had trap has further tightened. You cannot keep the people as follower of a faith with the fear of death or by the fear of gun. You yourself have seen the consequences of such behavior in the past. Hope you find reason and logic before placing your viewpoint in such matters.
      Yours well wisher...

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